| Acuppa Tae |
Acuppa – welcomes everyone |
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a – on immediate left Chantal Harvey, award winning SL movie maker |
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a – next is Karly Charlton founder of Better Living Designs in SL |
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a – next is Ham Rambler founder of Dublin Virtually Live and our host |
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a – he is airplane pilot – coming to us tonight from Cambodia – he will be texting |
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a – Traquar Garrigus (RL Gary Leyden) is our Moderator for tonight |
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a – Gary runs VRising in Dublin RL |
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a – I (Acuppa) will sit with the audience tonight |
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a – also before that welcome guest listeners from other areas of SL tonight |
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a – a few words about this module Virtual Environments – Is One Life Enough |
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a – one semester university level module |
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a – open to DIT students and SL residents |
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a – looking at online social networking |
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a – sl, facebook, twitter, blog, youtube, etc. |
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a – to promote selves professionally |
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a – about halfway through the module – this is the first of two special panel expert sessions |
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a – tonight each panel member has 10 minutes to present selves |
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a – then a general open discussion for everyone to engage with the panel |
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a – most of us have sound – some do not – so site and locks will translate in text as well |
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a – if you have a question during the talks, IM it to Locks Aichi who will feed them to the Moderator at the end of the talk |
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a – hands it over to Traquar (Gary) our moderator |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – thanks John |
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t – good evening |
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t – Acuppa never asks simple questions in these things! |
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t – i.e., “Is One Life Enough?” |
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t – we’ll go straight to the 10 minute conversations by each panelist |
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t – and please everyone participate and IM Locks Aichi with your questions throughout |
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t – start with Chantal Harvey |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – hello everyone |
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c – talk about content creation – sharing and value and use and protection online |
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c – what I do here is create computer generated filming, called “machinima” |
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c – not only virtual worlds but also games |
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c – came to sl 3 years ago from real life television in the Netherlands |
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c – same work in SL as in RL |
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c – filming and editing |
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c – started as fun, slowly – |
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c – became serious – work from website |
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c – people began to come to me with questions and projects |
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c – made my business from there |
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c – content creation for me is filming machinima |
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c – things happen – you start making money – |
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c – then you think questions |
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c- corporate? fun? art? down to earth? |
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c – i like them all |
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c – halloween, etc – |
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c – for me “is one life enough” .. |
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c – virtual platforms, spaces are part of our normal daily life |
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c – i used to resist mobile phones, now i use them all the time |
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c – i think virtual worlds are already now part of our life |
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c – can use for making money if you like – make a plan – just like in real “first” life |
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c- people who make a plan have 60% better chance of achieving goals |
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c – so make a plan – be serious and fun – |
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c – glad to answer questions at end – give info on seeing films etc |
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c – I have spoken world wide on machinima ; |
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c- run a mixed reality film festival runs in real life, web, and second life – 48 hour festival |
| Acuppa Tae |
clapping hands |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – thanks Chantal ! |
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t – important point, to love and enjoy what you do when creating content |
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t – go to Karly now |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly Charlton – hello all ! |
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k – I came into sl like others as a newbie |
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k – have tried many experiences here |
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k – started with computer graphics in ’78 |
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k – with oil company |
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k – had degree in education from university – enjoyed computer graphics |
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k – as personal computers and internet came in, kept up with those and also became professional photographer |
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k – catalogs, weddings, etc. |
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k – but it was my children (university and high school now) who got me into this ! |
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k – the sims city games |
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k – EA Games invited me to become a beta tester – that was my first taste of a virtual world |
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k – meeting other (real) people, other locations, socially interact |
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k – to progress in a virtual world |
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k – started a store; cooperated on warehousing etc. |
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k – but that virtual world became aged; and Second Life was coming in |
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k – friends encouraged me to move from Sims Online to Second Life |
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k – to make men’s clothing |
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k – so that’s how I started in SL |
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k – it was a challenge as a newbie to become accustomed |
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k – often went naked (unintentionally) just to change shoes |
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k – have a slide show of things I’ve done to show you |
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k – sets up screen |
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k – met a friend who ran Snail Races and such |
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k – we decided to have a Toga Party – but there were no togas! |
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k – so I made some for friends and still sell them today (see picture ) |
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k- i created a market for them |
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k – there were dance clubs, parties, and date places |
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k – so I approached club owners and gave them things to give out as prizes |
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k – if they would hold a toga party |
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k – this picture is a toga fashion show |
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k – had both men’s and women’s toga |
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k – by today’s standards they are primitive |
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k – so that was a start |
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k – making clothing |
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k – i could make it out of sl then import it (textures) |
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k – then i started working with “prims” learning through tutorials, like everyone else |
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k – furniture, houses, jewelry etc |
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k – started to sell homes |
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k – furniture, offices |
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k – then met another friend |
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k – asked me to build an entire sim from scratch |
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k – terraforming, designing, buildings, scripting, furnishings, everything |
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k – did it with one partner and some resource scripters |
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k – took 3 months |
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k – after that friend asked if I’d stay on as sim manager |
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k – be a contact person for his clients |
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k – he allows his clients to use the sim (Association Island) for meetings |
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k – support, fundraising, etc. |
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k – people coming into SL for the first time |
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k – extremely rewarding experience |
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k – from start (togas for fun) to current role consultant |
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k – was an SL Mentor as were many |
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k – I like being consultant and teacher |
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k – some more pictures here of builds I’ve made |
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k – still have the one business partner many years now |
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k – some office interiors here |
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k – executive office – wanted a private skybox |
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k – here a guest meeting room |
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k – the island that i manage now accepts public requests for meetings |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – thanks Karly! |
| Acuppa Tae |
clapping hands |
| Locks Aichi |
thanks to both the girls… |
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t – next up is Ham Rambler |
| Ham Rambler |
Hi everyone |
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Sorry but I’m stuck with chat (the connections in Phnom Penh are not the best) |
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AND |
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I’m a slow typer |
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so I’ll summarise.. |
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firstly….as Sitearm mentioned I am an airline pilot..not a computer person |
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I got into digital media way back in the CompuServe forum days |
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and developed into running and managing a Pilots website called PPRuNe.org (Professional Pilots rumour network) |
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this quickly became very popular..and even now is regularly quoted by the media |
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being very Internetty..I took an interest in the VW developments |
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and came into SL over 5 years ago |
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luckily, I don’t need to tell you a lot about what I do in here as you are enjoying it in the surroundings |
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but I took Dublin, and branched it out into other Media. |
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I used traditional Media like newsprint and TV to gain exposure for the project here |
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developed ( with help from Sitearm and the rest of the team) a Web presence |
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and now have a facebook profile for the Pub…and have started Blogging myself |
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so I took a rounded view of engaging with every new digital ” fad” and using them to promote the project here. |
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Over the years I have had a good level of corporate sponsorship, but that has died away a bit at the moment |
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I still mainly consider this as a huge social experiment, based on the concept of an Irish pub |
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in my travels, around the world, I usually check out Irish pubs |
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so i know what makes them interesting and fun places to socialise |
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I am using this SL project to see if that works digitally.. |
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and so far, I have to say..it has been a huge success |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – thank you Ham! |
| Ham Rambler |
I will continue to branch the project out around all Social and Digital media and I hope we can be a good example of embracing all aspects of new Social media |
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thanks |
| Acuppa Tae |
clapping hands |
| Locks Aichi |
thanks Ham |
| Traquar Garrigus |
t – interesting how Ham weaves pubs into social media ! |
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t – logs of questions coming in |
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t- people do in virtual life what they do in first life |
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t – Chantal – a lot of your machinima tell stories |
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t – would you discuss that ? |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – yes |
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c- machinima tells a story – all of mine |
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c – about virtual worlds and also ANY story you want |
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c – make a movie, news items, video bloggers, art |
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c – education , language |
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c – university – on their websites, fund raising |
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c- a story can do many things |
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c – machinima is Second Life’s best ambassador |
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c- YouTube is where many people go |
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c – and many machinima are on YouTube |
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c – machinima has brought real life filmers to SL |
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c – one of my aims to bring it out of SL to RL |
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c – it is all ONE life |
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c – and can be so for many more people |
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c – waiting for the first major film to come out and go mainstream |
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c – not long now |
| Locks Aichi |
yeah |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – Karly – you’ve built a lot of places and community and people part of it? |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – yes |
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k – agree it’s one life but you may have more than one identity |
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k – virtual goods to express mood and identity |
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k – and services to offer others to take advantage of SL |
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k – the difference is…… |
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k – there’s still a real person you inside |
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k – SL gives a larger platform, community, world in which to do your thing – sell, build, |
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k – use this world for social, entertainment, business, etc |
| Acuppa Tae |
Our classroom was built by Karly! |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – another question – the time it took you to learn, and how? |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – lot of tutorials, many more things now |
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k – online; scripting |
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k – best thing to do is friend someone already good at it |
| Acuppa Tae |
just like real life! |
| Ham Rambler |
I’m still learning.. |
| Ham Rambler |
and I use the social SIDE OF second life to meet and engage with people |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – for Ham. |
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t – most unusual place you found for an Irish Pub? |
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t – NOT counting virtual world |
| Ham Rambler |
hmm..well a few years ago I toured South America….and bizarrely..found a city WITHOUT an Irish pub |
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but I gather there is one, high in the Mountains near Lima |
| Acuppa Tae |
Wow! |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – teeing up next topic; views on content property rights |
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t – Chantal |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – yes |
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c – re copyright for machinima it’s a big problem |
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c – for example using a song to go with your video |
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c – being allowed to use the music |
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c – even if not using commercially |
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c – have to have permission |
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c – for machinima I always put my name and logo in – or watermark |
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c- even in SL have to have owners permission for sim |
| Karly Charlton |
Like photography |
| Acuppa Tae |
and just like making movies in RL |
| Sitearm Madonna |
c – I can create film but not music ! |
| Ham Rambler |
I ran into a series of challenges with Intellectual property rights, especially when, in the course of having Dublin built, I used signage from the real city |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – Karly? |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – yes |
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k – well said by Chantal |
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k – more issues include “copybots” |
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k – I am a member of designer protection groups |
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k – can tag your textures, keep records etc, but can’t protect completely |
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k – a friend lamented once that anyone can steal the concept / feel / heart of a design |
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k – when i build things that will go outside of SL … |
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k – have to be sure all textures etc. that I use from others have resell licenses |
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k – scripts etc. |
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k – full permissions, and creator’s license |
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k – can be handicaps to builders |
| Acuppa Tae |
again… just like the Real World! |
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IP issues are always an issue… |
| Chantal Harvey |
yes |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – Ham |
| Ham Rambler |
yes…and I have also had some textures stolen and used elsewhere |
| Traquar Garrigus |
t – Ham had similar issues e.g., famous Dublin landmarks |
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t – mostly due to misunderstandings – not commercial but context |
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t – we’ve talked about SL content – do you create content elsewhere? |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – yes |
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k – still do photography work |
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k – now also in another virtual world |
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k – all new tools, new platform; starting from scratch |
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k – slow to re-start elsewhere |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – now to the audience – send in some more questions to Locks |
| Acuppa Tae |
I liked the suggestion that we should enjoy what we do! |
| Ham Rambler |
Everything from Blogs to facebook presents challenges on Intellectual property. Photos can be copied from anywhere on the web, for example |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – to panelists are you creating this for yourself primarily, your audience? |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – good question |
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c – I’m creating to get better, grow |
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c – close to 100 machinima now |
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c – but once you’ve made it you put it on youtube |
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c – the hits your babies get… vs. the hits others get.. oi! |
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c – you sometimes think the numbers are important but maybe not |
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c – just do good work |
| Acuppa Tae |
very interesting point, Chantal |
| Ham Rambler |
everything I have done digitally is about growing my social network and meeting people |
| Ham Rambler |
In my travels I get to meet so many people I have first met through new Digital media |
| Acuppa Tae |
and Ham meets people first in the cyberspace and then later in RL |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – have you seen your audience changing on social? |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – yes |
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c – more using Twitter and Facebook |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – have not seen Twitter and Facebook affect SL work; |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – have any of you used your SL work to promote your RL work? |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – yes |
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c – my avatar is my brand |
| Acuppa Tae |
Personal branding |
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c – my RL first name is Chantal but my SL last name is Harvey |
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c – great tool |
| Ham Rambler |
not really…my RL work is mostly about travel |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – agree |
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k – your avatar is your brand, your logo |
| Ham Rambler |
but my Avatar is far more famous than the RL me |
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k – Karly not my real name but she’s got her own profile and friends and fame |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – apart from name – is your avatar just an expression of your real safe? |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – only in a limited way – not personal |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – different for me – I mix both |
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c – plus I want sl to go rl |
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c – it’s like a mobile phone |
| Ham Rambler |
yes of course….it is a piece of artistry ..and quite often an expression of aspiration. I wish I was as good looking as ham! |
| Acuppa Tae |
are our RL and SL and other brands merging? |
| Ham Rambler |
for me, certainly |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – your experience in SL, how has it contributed to your ROL creation, money |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – it’s supplemented our family income nicely |
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k – music lessons, band trips for kids |
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k – enough income not to seek work outside home – very flexible work |
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k – no commute! |
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k – completely part time and chosen |
| Ham Rambler |
the lines between real and virtual blur…I socialise openly in both..with a lot of crossover |
| Ham Rambler |
I can’t say i have made a lot of money out of it..but my circle of people I call good friends has grown dramatically |
| Acuppa Tae |
the crossover is very interesting…. |
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…and increasing as we become more comfortable with online networking |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – same for me |
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c – paid for my new computer, high end, from machinima entirely |
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c – also trips to speak |
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c – not enough to live from though! |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – covers small business expenses |
| Ham Rambler |
being invited to speak at the opening of the IBM Ireland Innovation centre was a real crossover point for me |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – the relationships you’ve made in SL – how important informing your content creation |
| Karly Charlton |
Karly – very much so – custom work, goals, etc |
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k – pleasing the customer |
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k – something they like about you, your work |
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k – self expression plus what people expect |
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k – fun giving them what they asked for plus a little surprise |
| Chantal Harvey |
Chantal – totally agree |
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c – even corporate ! |
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c – money plus creative challenge |
| Ham Rambler |
yes, I agree with Karly, you develop a new level of Customer management |
| Traquar Garrigus |
Traquar – brings to close – want to thank panel |
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t – We (VRising) got involved with Ham few years ago – tremendous community strength – tremendous DIT is here now too – |
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t – Acuppa got it early on – community as well as place |
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t – thank you all for today and now I hand it back to Acuppa – |
| Karly Charlton |
*claps* |
| Acuppa Tae |
Acuppa – thank you Traquar – and thank you for moderating |
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a – thank ham, karly, chantal for sharing |
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a – pioneering and interesting experiences |
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a – interesting points for me were. |
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a – people doing what they naturally enjoy doing |
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a – how important for things to be done situated within a community |
| Karly Charlton |
Thanks for the honor of joining you today! |
| Chantal Harvey |
thanks for the invite |
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community and culture is important |
| Karly Charlton |
and students will gladly meet, sitting on the ground, in a field of flowers! |
| Chantal Harvey |
yes! |
| Ham Rambler |
I love it that a participant can show up as a Mammoth..and no-one thinks it strange |
| Acuppa Tae |
a – was just presenting a paper on this module in France last week |
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a – another presenter using Facebook for Columbia College – they spent a lot of money in SL with their own island – and have delivered NO CLASSES in it YET – despite the money spent on a space |
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a – how important it is for DIT to be based in SL in an already existing vibrant community , Dublin Virtually Live |
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a – a lot of texting and IMing, just like in real life |
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a – what we do relies on people, not technology |
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a – meeting people is what makes life interesting |
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a – and on that note brings to an end for today |
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a – thanks to DIT students, guests, panelists, Site, and Locks! |
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a – that’s it we’ll close now – for those going to the local Blarney Stone feel free to carry on ! |
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a – see you next week and goodnight |
| Acuppa Tae |
clapping hands |
| Locks Aichi |
g’night all and thanks to everyone again… |
Virtual Environments: Is one life enough? 